Archive for the ‘Joe Torre’ Category

You excited for Game 5?

October 15, 2008

Joe Sheehan, Baseball Prospectus:

However, you can’t get away from what Joe Torre did last night. From starting Pierre to managing the bullpen, he did not put his team in the best position to win the game. As Steven Goldman pointed out in the Roundtable, Torre has struggled running bullpens ever since the roles weren’t clearly dictated by the personnel. Last night’s game was the latest chapter in that book. (Source)


Girardi > Torre

May 14, 2008

That Joe Girardi is one hands-on manager. As I write this from The Trop, he’s in the bullpen catching Andrew Brackman. Humberto Sanchez is warming up next. (Source)

I mean come on, Joe Torre didn’t know who Joba Chamberlain was until he was in Toronto for his MLB debut and Girardi is freaking catching Brackman, who is months away from even MiLB games because of his injury and years away from his MLB debut because he was just drafted last year.

Our new manager is a much better fit for this organization.

Baseball sucks now

May 11, 2008

But Goose always has hated showboaters, past and especially present day, so when Dellucci told reporters he thought Chamberlain’s response was immature and “bush,” Gossage didn’t hesitate to say, “I’m on Dellucci’s side.

“That’s just not the Yankee way, what Joba did. Let everyone else do that stuff, but not a Yankee,” Gossage said by telephone on Saturday. “What I don’t understand is, the kid’s got the greatest mentor in the world in Mariano [Rivera]. He’s one of the leaders of the team, so you’d think it wouldn’t happen on that team.

“But there’s no one to pass the torch anymore, no one to teach the young kids how to act. The Mets did a lot of that [celebrating] last year, and look how it came back to haunt them.”

Gossage, only a few more weeks away from his Hall of Fame induction, made sure to point out that he “loves” Chamberlain, having spent time with him in spring training. But when the Goose and Roy White recently met at a charity golf tournament, they compared notes about the 2008 Yankees, observing the increasing trend toward in-your-face celebrating.

White, in particular, took issue with Melky Cabrera, who often does a full-spin, twirl high-five after a home run or Yankee victory.

“I saw that 360-thing he did with [Robinson] Cano at the end of one of the games and I was shocked. I was like, ‘Are you kidding me?’ ” White said by telephone. “I’m sorry, that’s just too much. I’m guess I’m old school, but there’s a professional way to play baseball, there’s a Yankee tradition, back to [Joe] DiMaggio and Mickey Mantle.

“You hit a home run, act like you’ve hit one before, not like it’s the first time in your life.” (Source)

Look, Goose, we understand that you were good at baseball a long time ago and got boned over for the hall like a bunch of times and now your in. Finally. But, in no way does that qualify to be the authority on anything, especially today’s game of baseball, which it doesn’t look like you’ve been following if your this pissed about Joba’s fist pumps.

Also, Roy White, just shut up. At least people know who Gossage is and he’s semi-relevant because he’s going into the hall this year. Nobody cares what you think.

After listing quotes that make Gossage and White look very old, Bob Klapisch jumps on the bandwagon that baseball was way better back in the day:

Gossage’s point is well taken. Rivera, who would’ve never shown up a hitter the way Chamberlain did, declined to take issue with his teammate. The closer, like everyone, wrote off Joba’s antic to youthful “enthusiasm” although no one in the clubhouse could recall Derek Jeter ever reacting that way.

Are you fucking kidding?

If anything, it was up to manager Joe Girardi to enforce the Yankee code, but he, too, took the easy way out, rationalizing Chamberlain’s behavior by saying, “He wasn’t looking at the hitter [when fist-pumping] he was looking into our dugout.”

Girardi, an avowed conformist in his playing days, would’ve never tolerated such behavior in his past, so why is he is doing so now? There’s a difference between supporting one’s players and making sure they act in a professional manner: Chamberlain has a chance to be an elite-caliber pitcher for years to come, but if there’s anything that might hold him back, it’s his immaturity and stubbornness.

Bob, is KRod an “elite-caliber pitcher”? Jon Papelbon?

C’mon, Papelbon is one of the dumbest/most immature players in the game and it doesn’t “hold him back” from being a good closer.

Sooner or later, though, Girardi will have to leave a more forceful imprint on his clubhouse, especially if he wants to last in New York. It’s one thing to make the players run sprints in spring training; a truer test of a manager’s authority is how his players behave on the field.

This is really stupid, how is player behavior a true test of a manager? The fist pumping stuff isn’t disrespecting Girardi, he seems cool with it. Why are you making something out of absolutely nothing?

Torre’s Yankees certainly got it. Joe Cool might’ve appeared passive, but the Yankees knew better than to cross him. All it took was one look, and he could cut even a veteran in two.

Add “Joe Torre” tag. Done.

So far, Girardi has yet to assert himself. Allowing Chamberlain to gloat over Dellucci sends a message that the Yankees are free to express themselves any way they want, which is why Gossage could only shake his head in disapproval.

The fuck is so wrong with baseball players expressing themselves? Nazi much?

Yep, that’s it. The Klap has gone Nazi.

Girardi > Torre

February 24, 2008

Girardi notified the players six weeks ago this would be a tough camp — the Yankees never recalled being taxed like this by Joe Torre. (Source) 

Torre: I didn’t sleep last night

February 17, 2008

“I didn’t sleep very well last night,” Torre said after addressing his new players for the first time and then watching pitchers and catchers complete their initial workout of spring training. (Source)

Wonder why…. 



February 2, 2008

“There’s going to be some young players — young pitchers, especially — to get a chance to perform, whether it’s in the rotation or the bullpen,” Girardi said recently. “And you’re going to look at guys like Jeffrey Marquez and Ross Ohlendorf, and there’s more guys coming. We are expecting them as an organization to step up.” (Source) 

It is sooo refreshing to hear this stuff. I’ve been in a bad mood recently because of the strong possibility that Ca$hman won’t be back, but it is great that Joe Torre is nowhere near this club anymore.


February 1, 2008


Free-agent infielder Morgan Ensberg has reached agreement on a one-year contract with the New York Yankees, and will join the competition for the team’s first base job in spring training.

“I’m extremely excited about it,” Ensberg said Thursday. “It’s a great team and a great lineup. Most importantly, it’s a team that’s consistently playing for a World Series. After you’ve been in the league for a few years, you really start valuing that pursuit.”

Terms of the contract weren’t immediately available. Ensberg signed a minor-league deal, with an invitation to major league camp. The Yankees’ 40-man roster is currently full, but three spots are expected to open when Carl Pavano, Humberto Sanchez and Andrew Brackman are transferred to the 60-day disabled list in March. (Source)

His career 116 OPS+ makes this a very good gamble, love the move.

Last year, the Yankees had a chance to acquire Morgan Ensberg after he was DFA’d by the Astros. Joe Torre shot that down.

“I wouldn’t say anyone is a projected starter,” general manager Brian Cashman said. “There’s a job at first base that either someone is going to earn outright or it’s going to be an opportunity to mix a few different people in there.

“Basically, everybody’s got to earn their keep, whether you have a big contract or you’re competing for a spot on the club. Joe Girardi will look at everybody fairly and objectively and put the best team out on the field on any given day that he thinks can give us a chance to win, period, and he’s not looking at salary.” (Source)

Obviously, Giambi is going to make the team because of skill and salary. Betemit will too because of his versatility. The third spot will be up for grabs between Shelley Duncan, Jason Lane, Ensberg and even Juan Miranda (longshot at this point). I’d go for the idea of Giambi as the everyday DH and then a Betemit/Ensberg platoon:

Betemit career vs. RHP .268/.347/.464/.811
Ensberg career vs. LHP .284/.406/.530/.936

Consider 1B solved.

A new tone

January 26, 2008

Cashman added Joe Torre had played Williams “ahead of guys who could help us win” in 2006, a reference to Melky Cabrera. (Source)

I’d love for everyone to stop talking about Joe Torre, but if we are going to say stuff like this, then its not so bad.

Also, did Hank tell Cash to start spitting the truth?

Love is a burning thing…

December 30, 2007

…and it makes a firey ring. Sorry, I’ve seen Walk the Line like 100X over the last month. Thanks HBO! Anyway, this is a little part of John Harper’s Daily News column where he forgets to hide the mega-huge boner for Joe Torre that never went away.

From there the offseason began with the classless handling of Joe Torre’s departure, which made the Yankees look small and leaves open the question of whether the absence of Torre’s steady hand will impact their run of 13 straight playoff seasons.

I don’t look at the Yankees while cooking Joe Torre eggs in the mourning like John Harper. So, I have a different point of view. I don’t think the Yankees looked small at all while pushing Torre out the door. I thought it was a great move. It was the final step in the transition to committing to the farm system, roster flexibility and young players.

Honestly, how much does Harper worship Torre? He actually brings up the question of how the Yankees will fare without the “steady hand” of Torre. Will they even make the playoffs!?!?!?? Dear lord, this is so stupid. Folks, losing a manager that drank too much tea to even stay awake during games will not (I REPEAT; WILL NOT) keep them out of the 2008 playoffs.

He might keep the Dodgers out of the 2008 playoffs….


It will never stop

December 23, 2007

Does Yankees’ Steroid Use Indirectly Taint Torre?

By MURRAY CHASS: My favorite subject is Torre’s taint.

Nick Shlain: Maybe he didn’t write the second line, but Chass continued to write an entirely pointless column about how the 2000 WS Champion Yankees team had 10 guys who used PEDs and that somehow is bad for Joe Torre’s legacy.

I’ve always thought that Torre got too much credit for the ’96-’01 Dynasty and I think of him as a guy who was in the right place at the right time and rode great players to championships. To now find out that a few of those players weren’t playing on the level doesn’t really effect his legacy unless he knew about it and didn’t say anything.

In the last sentence I said ‘a few of those players.’ Yes, 10 guys were in the Mitchell Report, but it wasn’t the entire starting nine and Clemens. Also, some that were named didn’t use until after the 2000 season, which wouldn’t taint Yankee titles since we haven’t splashed champayne since ’00.

The players who did use PEDs that year were:

Roger Clemens
Denny Naegle
Jason Grimsley
Jose Canseco?
Glenallen Hill?

The only one of those guys that really contributed was Clemens. You can make a case for Hill, who posted a 175 OPS+ after getting traded to the Yankees, but he still wasn’t a regular. Either way, I don’t think that taints the ’00 WS team at all or Torre’s legacy, which I don’t consider to be in high regard or to be relevant either.

Also, I’d like to remind everyone that the Yankees, in fact, did not invent steroids and were not the only team using them in ’00 or any other year.

3,000 miles away, still no end

December 18, 2007

Jerry Crasnick

With Joe Torre sporting that old gleam in his eye in Los Angeles, Troy Tulowitzki and Matt Holliday poised for a repeat in Colorado, and Jake Peavy and Greg Maddux quite comfortable as generational bookends in San Diego, the National League West has become a very unforgiving place to build a team.

Crasnick didn’t have anything nice/interesting to say about the Dodgers except some bullshit about the gleam in Torre’s eye (which is difficult to see because his eyes are closed most of the time)?

How about the years Saito and Broxton had in the bullpen last year? What about how Andruw Jones was the best free agent signing this off-season? Derek Lowe in a contract year? How about Matt Kemp getting his first starting job? Chad Billingsly’s first year without an innings cap? Really, none of that came to mind?

“It’s like SEC football,” said Josh Byrnes, Arizona general manager. “It’s just a grind. It might not make your record too pretty, but to survive it is a real accomplishment.”

Yeah, I’m hard pressed to see Torre with the same passion as….oh, lets say Les Miles.


Fans are dumb

December 13, 2007

But while the pinstripes have been packed away, Torre’s contributions to spur on his Yankees in 2007 have not been forgotten. Torre has been selected as the Manager of the Year in’s annual This Year In Baseball Awards.

Torre won the award in fan voting, which was conducted exclusively at (Source)